Was Messi's performance better than Ronaldo's? Is van Dijk the third best in the world? | Extra Time

  • Published: 14 March 2019
  • Shaka Hislop, Dan Thomas, Steve Nicol and Craig Burley head to ESPN FC Extra Time, answering fan questions including (1:23) whether Lionel Messi's performance in Barcelona vs. Lyon was better than Cristiano Ronaldo's in Juventus vs. Atletico Madrid; if (1:50) Liverpool's Virgil van Dijk is the third-best player in the world behind Messi and CR7; (2:59) how much Andrew Robertson's ban affects LFC in the UEFA Champions League quarterfinals; (4:15) whether Bayern Munich goalkeeper Manuel Neuer is finished; (5:25) a rule change idea in which the player who draws the penalty must take the penalty; and (5:39) whether Shaka has ever made a proper Trinidadian dish for the panel.

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  • Stewie Edits
    Stewie Edits  3 months back

    Leading sports scientist Simon Brundish gives a knowing look when asked who is the best footballer in the world. "While he's alive, there's only Lionel Messi," Brundish says. "If you're saying anybody else is the best player in the world, Messi's had a broken leg for a year, or he's dead, or you're lying."

    Given Messi is widely considered among the greatest players to ever play the game, that might not seem like too startling an insight. But Brundish has a set of statistics he believes sufficiently ends any debate on the matter.

    "Currently Messi has a goal or assist every 48 minutes," Brundish says. "Bearing in mind that every game is almost 95 minutes long (when injury time is included) that's two almost every single game."

    Few can come close to these feats -- although Cristiano Ronaldo has long had a comparable, and sometimes superior, goal scoring rate. More recently, the likes of Luis Suarez, Neymar, Kylian Mbappe and Mohamed Salah have also all excelled in scoring for their respective club and national teams.

    Yet Brundish says the real supremacy of Messi lies not only in his goalscoring feats but also how highly he rates in a statistic known as xG-Build.

    This metric awards points to every player involved in a goal except from the person who supplied the final pass (assist) and the goalscorer.

    For example, if a goalkeeper started a move by passing to a defender, who then played the ball to winger before squaring for a striker to score, the goalkeeper and defender would score statistical points under the xG-Build system.

    Given Messi's prodigious goal and assist rate, it would seem logical that his xG-build score would lag behind other players who have more of a role in the early stage build up to a goal given the spaces they usually occupy on the field.

    But Brundish says that's not the case.

    Using 2017-18 full-season data from football statistics website, Understat, Messi scores considerably higher in xG-build than some of the world's most potent playmakers, including Chelsea's Eden Hazard, Arsenal's Mesut Ozil and Tottenham's Christian Eriksen. He also comfortably outpoints the likes of Ronaldo, Salah and Neymar.

    Combine all of those stats; Messi's goals, assists and xG-Build score and Brundish asks of the best player in the world debate: "Where is the argument?"

    • dauglas quiah
      dauglas quiah  3 months back

      Cr7 all three goals are questionable...... But he did scored, that's the fact, goat of goal scoring.....

      • subin sabu
        subin sabu  3 months back

        But why mbappe ..he is just a kid now
        Maybe after a few years

        • Dimityr Lefterov
          Dimityr Lefterov  3 months back

          Ronaldos was more importaint, Juve needed All 3 goals to qualify and while MESSIs overall game was better, Ronaldo is the man of the week.
          Messi Can be the Main man next week.

          • rakhi paul
            rakhi paul  3 months back

            Ronaldo was better

            • Larry Ousman
              Larry Ousman  3 months back

              Ronaldo was served and he converted. Messi served goals but also converted. Moreso, one of his goal was all his.

              • Topher Loudon
                Topher Loudon  3 months back

                Yeah! Chick weed for nettle sting. It works.

                • Hank Storm
                  Hank Storm  3 months back

                  IMO I think you guys are taking it a bit too far with the banter, I know it's the show and I even like it, but last months it's barely any content any more...

                  • Abcdefg32 1
                    Abcdefg32 1  3 months back

                    As capello said ronaldo is a champion and messi is a genius

                    • Ahmedur Ershad
                      Ahmedur Ershad  3 months back

                      If CR7 was in Barcelona vs Lyon he would have ended up scoring hat trick....but Messi not only manage to score 2 but also assisted 2. In every game Messi manipulates the game, the field, the opposition. Hence Messi is and will be a little ahead of CR7. We’re just lucky to have seen these players at their best forms year after year.

                      • Limii Boy
                        Limii Boy  3 months back

                        Fuck you ESPN piece of shits

                        • J.d R
                          J.d R  3 months back

                          As a Messi fan I have to give it up that Ronaldo was more impressive cause he literally got his yeam through after a 2-0 loss!!

                          Also Simione should be fires, he played cowardly defending with his wingers, Lamar was a joke in defence, with a 2 goal headstart at their home you should've gone all out 1 goal would be devastating to Juve.. but hey I'm just a guy on youtube with an opinion.

                          • EmyNdri DriNemy
                            EmyNdri DriNemy  3 months back

                            these guys are terrible

                            • Enoch Ezekiel
                              Enoch Ezekiel  3 months back

                              cristiano proved it in portugal, england, spain and now in italy. king of the ucl. owner of atletico madrid. 2nd in the highest international goalscorers. ( the other contender for the GOAT 🐐 is not even in top 20. ) if that doesn't make him the GOAT 🐐. then, there is no such thing called GOAT 🐐

                              • Nuksung Imchen
                                Nuksung Imchen  3 months back

                                Don't trust them this guys are crabs.....

                                • Dx Fire
                                  Dx Fire  3 months back

                                  Ronaldo was better and Messi doing his routine job of making the whole team dance around him... 😂

                                  • AMIT KUMAR JHA
                                    AMIT KUMAR JHA  3 months back

                                    This isn't even a debate....CR7 stepped up vs atletico when his team was down 2-0...while messi vanishes on such night....

                                    • Oladimeji Makinde
                                      Oladimeji Makinde  3 months back

                                      They're diehard Messi fan. If they can find a little point to back Messi up, u would have seen hyping🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣

                                      • Jimmy Nolasco
                                        Jimmy Nolasco  3 months back

                                        as I see it God Almighty chose Messi & blessed him to play soccer there’s a loss of words what can we say, but Ronaldo we can always put into words his greatness Messi makes those around him a 10 playmaking assisting scoring my oh my deep down Ronaldo fans you who the real goat is ,most coaches if not the majority and also players at the elite level have chosen Messi always with proof look it up Ronaldo too but never as much as Messi one who truly loves the game knows 100% it’s messi

                                        • Melvin De leon
                                          Melvin De leon  3 months back

                                          Lyon defense was just too bad bro 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

                                          • Pacific Oceania
                                            Pacific Oceania  3 months back

                                            Messi is better??? How many clubs messi has played for? How many trophies and individual awards messi has won in different clubs? How many times Messi has saved his team in champion league when his club down in aggregate? How many times Messi has scored the goals by his head in champion league ? I don't like to belittle Messi's ability but the reality is showing that Messi was just stick on one club for all his career. He is not brave enough to face the new challenge by trying different clubs . People sometimes didn't see the reality and make nonsense comments. I don't defend Ronaldo but I am telling the truth. It is base on fact that Ronaldo is the man. He has done all i mentioned above. Ronaldo is the best .

                                            • Melvin De leon
                                              Melvin De leon  3 months back

                                              Why are u idiots comparing a guy that’s been in Barca since he was a baby 🍼 and Ronaldo caring his new team come on now lmao

                                              • Random Video
                                                Random Video  3 months back

                                                Ronaldo overcame a mountain
                                                Messi helped Barcelona destroy a Lower class team

                                                • John John
                                                  John John  3 months back

                                                  Van dick is a one season wonder like salah.

                                                  • Amy Ozil Da Silva Neymar
                                                    Amy Ozil Da Silva Neymar  3 months back

                                                    Reading all the comments, suddenly lyon become a big team ea? barka fans at his best.

                                                    • SOHAM BAGDE
                                                      SOHAM BAGDE  3 months back

                                                      Messi was far better

                                                      • FOOTBALL KING
                                                        FOOTBALL KING  3 months back

                                                        well i think cr7 perform better becuase juventus was so undpressure while messi perform also good but not better then cr7
                                                        because there was not lot pressure

                                                        • Galactico Celestial
                                                          Galactico Celestial  3 months back

                                                          Ronaldo was better because the pressure was wayy more intense, he had to make a comeback

                                                          • Ricky Alfaro
                                                            Ricky Alfaro  3 months back

                                                            Ronaldo has been having better seasons than Messi for the past 5 years ..... don’t talk to me

                                                            • Zac Lodro
                                                              Zac Lodro  3 months back

                                                              Coming from behind and scoring a hat trick against Athletico is always better than Messi's performance against Lyon. End of arguement, there is no comparison to the pressure from starting a game down 0-2 idiots!

                                                              • Knishek Rai
                                                                Knishek Rai  3 months back

                                                                Perfect comment don't compare both of em Both are the GOAT.. S
                                                                Just enjoy their era...!

                                                                • HG13 Johnny Ringold
                                                                  HG13 Johnny Ringold  3 months back

                                                                  Ronaldo CARRIES His Teams, Messi DOESNT. He Hides in Big Moments. Messi try playing for 3 diffrent teams in 3 diffrent countries & be the driving forces & lead, by the way Win Something For Your Country For Once (argentina)😂🖕🔥⚽️ #CR7

                                                                  • Emmanuel Enyinwa
                                                                    Emmanuel Enyinwa  3 months back

                                                                    Juventus were down 2-0. They just paid $100 million for Ronaldo and he was under INTENSE pressure to perform. Then he gets a hat trick. Barca was TIED. Messi had ZERO pressure on him. He also had TWO hundred million pound players in Coutinho and Dembele by his side, as well as the French AND Spanish defensive starters and Croatian midfield behind him. Messi is the better players, but the pressure on Ronaldo was WAAAY more.

                                                                    • 大龙
                                                                      大龙  3 months back

                                                                      Jamaican Sheperd's Pie!

                                                                      • Awet Michael
                                                                        Awet Michael  3 months back

                                                                        Really easy question if we are comparing in this week not for their careers in this week looking the circumstances that atleticos experiences in ucl and their their defensive style with the 2-0 lead at their home no body will expect this result really incredible and is possible with Ronaldo the living god off football coming to Messi yes good performance like always and they have 0-0 result away and it’s Lyon which I can less tougher than ATM and with less pressure and he is at his home that he grew up so for this week I can say Ronaldo’s performance is more impressive than Messi

                                                                        • abhinav t
                                                                          abhinav t  3 months back

                                                                          Both played amazingly..
                                                                          Ronaldo-3 goals
                                                                          Messi -2 goals 2 assists
                                                                          Assisting is also important in football not only scoring.

                                                                          • Kush GreenxZ
                                                                            Kush GreenxZ  3 months back

                                                                            Ronaldo is better

                                                                            • EL Tiburon
                                                                              EL Tiburon  3 months back

                                                                              The four of you are fucking Bastards Hypocrites

                                                                              • Christian De leon
                                                                                Christian De leon  3 months back

                                                                                As a Messi fan I say Ronaldo had a better performance, but don’t take away anything from Juventus the team was amazing. Every player out there was just as good as Ronaldo they were creating chances every few minutes. Messi in the other hand had a Master Class performance vs Lyon. One got a Hat-Trick and complemented the team greatly in finishing when needed. The other Inspired his team to get past a team that was lesser but don’t take anything away it was a great performance. At the end of the day there both goats stop fighting each other for everything. It’s very childish just don’t replay with “But they say Messi is”no just shut up enjoy football.

                                                                                • All Cars United
                                                                                  All Cars United  3 months back

                                                                                  People really talking about how Messi did against the mighty lyon? 😂 😂 😂

                                                                                  • Sishir Khatiwada
                                                                                    Sishir Khatiwada  3 months back

                                                                                    This black nigga hate messi.
                                                                                    That's absolutely correct.
                                                                                    Fuck this stupid black dickhead expert.

                                                                                    • AceMonatana
                                                                                      AceMonatana  3 months back

                                                                                      mbappe is not the third best player in the world. there are many players especially attackers that u can build a team around before picking mbappe. The Espn FC mbappe bandwagon seems to still be rolling. Also van dijk, koulibaly, and pique can all make a case for the best CB in the world right now.

                                                                                      • G J.C
                                                                                        G J.C  3 months back

                                                                                        How can you compare Lyon vs Atletico?
                                                                                        Messi could not had score headers like christiano,and christiano could not pass like Messi,,,,
                                                                                        Christiano I would say,but wait until Juventus play Barcelona....

                                                                                        • Mathias
                                                                                          Mathias  3 months back

                                                                                          Yeah... I'd scoot away from the end of that conversation, too.

                                                                                          • Javier Rivera
                                                                                            Javier Rivera  3 months back

                                                                                            Ronaldo was better hands down. It was a crazy game, with all the odds against him. Messi did great, but very minimal pressure.

                                                                                            • Sean Zadsalamat
                                                                                              Sean Zadsalamat  3 months back

                                                                                              The pause before Mbappe lmao

                                                                                              • Sean Zadsalamat
                                                                                                Sean Zadsalamat  3 months back

                                                                                                Their both the best ever.

                                                                                                • Chim Jae Mukanda
                                                                                                  Chim Jae Mukanda  3 months back

                                                                                                  *Ronaldos, cuz Ronaldo’s=Ronaldo is